题记

 

张博与王晶晶分别在2008/2010年毕业于深圳大学建筑与城市规划学院，相识于2010年并相爱至今。他们先后一起完成了自创餐厅-“上下生活”和自家住宅的设计和施工。“无论”团队联合深大院刊TOPOS在三月一日与这对建筑夫妻见面并进行了交流。

 

建筑设计/教育常常给非设计人士一种高深莫测的神秘感，高度专业化的语言仿佛是建筑师情有独钟的表达方式，但与此同时，这种圈内人自娱自乐的精神也阻碍了其与老百姓交流的可能性。

 

建筑总是有想贴近普通人的冲动，在表达上也存在另一种可能性。“无论”认为通过简单朴实的问题、以平常人的视角进行对话，也许能把建筑的思想传达到每个人身上。

 

Introduction

 

Bo Zhang & Kingking Wang graduated from SZU, respectively, in 2008/2010. Meeting each other in 2010, they fell in love and started their career. As an architect couple, they designed and constructed their own restaurant and apartment together. With the help of TOPOS, WULUN had an opportunity to create a dialogue with them at their home.

 

Architectural design/education often confuses non-designers because architects sometimes tend to distinguish themselves from other disiplines by using highly technical terminology. However, architecture should be accessible to everyone. We wanted to facilitate this relationship.

 

WULUN is interested in communicating with architects by asking simple questions and discovering their ideas through various discourses.

 

访谈节选

Interview Excerption

 

问：家对于你们来讲意味着什么？

Q: What does HOME mean to you?

 

张博：我们对家的理解是一步一步来的，刚毕业在深圳大学附近一间20平方米的公寓住着，一开始只有几件家具，然后我们一点点往家里面添东西，那时候没有常规的客厅和厨房，但朋友也会来玩，一起做火锅，点些蜡烛，感觉很温馨。这个回忆其实蛮特别的，现在也不一定再有机会能找到那么小的一个空间去住，觉得挺怀念的。

 

前两天有朋友来，他们住别墅，到我们这一看就很喜欢，觉得这样的小尺度挺舒服的（编者案：家的大小跟幸福没有直接关系）。所以，家对每个人都不一样。

 

Bo Zhang: We understand the concept of HOME step by step. Back in the days when we were living in a 200 sq. ft. apartment after graduation, we possessed little furniture. Progressively, we started to acquire more. There were no formal living room and kitchen in that apartment, but friends still came and we made hot pot all the time. Everyone felt happy disregarding the crude situation. It was our precious memories.

 

The other day, two friends came and they loved the size of our apartment. (Editor: It seems the size of home has no direct relation with happiness.). Yes, everyone has their different idea on “HOME”.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

问：家的设计有什么新的尝试吗？

Q: Did you try anything new in the design?

 

王晶晶：我们家有很多做法都是一种新的尝试，我们想去验证一下自己的想法。当你跟朋友或者客户做的时候，在他们身上大胆尝试也不太好，于是在这个项目上就可以放开来试验。

 

比如工作室背面这个玻璃砖的隔断，当时砌砖墙的时候余下了一段，我们就加了条黑色的槽钢让整面墙看起来更完整，但它不只是装饰性的物件，也有功能在，墙的另外一边是卫生间，在那它就有了挂钩功能。

 

Kingking: We tried a lot of new stuff in our apartment. it both gave us the chance to examine our ideas for construction methods, while also allowed us the courage to experiment on our own project.

 

For example, look at the wall at the back of our studio. We added a H-shape steel for the left-over space between the glass bricks in order to make the wall a whole piece. The H-shape steel is decorative for the studio, but because of its hooks it is functional for storage.

 

张博：很多建筑师都拿自己的家或项目做很多尝试，以前看到一篇关于阿尔瓦•阿尔托的文章非常有趣，他在自己家的外立面上作了无数种砖的拼法，其实就是在做很多尝试。

 

Bo Zhang: A lot of architects experiment on their own house and projects. I read an article about Alva Aalto and he tried hundreds of tiling methods on the elevations of his own house and that is a sort of experiment that inspires us a lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

问：非设计师会怎么样评价你们的家？

Q: How would a non-designer comment on your apartment?

 

张博：这个问题你要是让一个朋友来看，他们可能不会想那么多，他来到这觉得舒服就好。其实对于很多人来讲，这房子是否住得舒服，床垫是不是软，是不是有好吃的东西放在桌上，是否有好的景观可以看窗外面，他们可能感受到的是这些很简单的东西，这都没关系，我们可以跟他们交流，谈这件事，你会发现很多人的观点都不是你想象的样子。换位思考后，可能下次做设计时会想怎么能让客户也理解我们的想法。

 

Bo Zhang: People don’t comment much when they see the apartment. What matters most is whether they feel good in the space, whether the mattress is soft, whether you offer them good food and good landscapes through the window. Those are the things that interest them and it is true for everyone. Because of this, we love to discuss with non-professionals since they have totally different perspectives. As a result, we might be able to communicate our design ideas to them based on this understanding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

问：你们的设计是从属于某种设计风格吗？

Q: Do you follow a specific design style?

 

张博：我们曾经去日本拜访妹岛和世，像今天“无论”采访我们一样，有一对一的交流。我们当时问她：“你的设计概念是什么？”国内教育告诉我们似乎一定要有个概念你才会有结果，很看重因果关系。但说到这个问题时，妹岛她有一点点停顿。她说其实没有什么概念，我们就是在创造一个空间，然后做到很好的一个品质，你们看到的白色和那些感觉，可能是个人的气质或者偏好而已，但它们不是重点，重点是他们给你带来的东西是有共性的。

 

即便是一个家，也能带给我们思考，但未来的路还很长。对于我和晶晶来说，我们都是喜欢这职业，喜欢。

 

Bo Zhang: When we visited SANNA in Japan and had a chance to talk with Kazuyo Sejima, we asked, “what is your concept of architectural design?” It seems to be a rule we should follow under Chinese architectural education: you need to have an idea to support your design. However, she paused for a while after we asked her the question. She said they had no concept for their architecture. They were just creating space with good quality. Maybe the white walls, which you tagged as a “style”, were merely personal interest and not the crucial to the design. The critical thing is the atmosphere they brought about.

 

Even through a small project like HOME, we were able to reflect on ourselves. We have a long way to go, but for Kingking and myself, we both love our career.